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Sunday, November 13, 2005

This is Torture?

In the November 21st issue of Newsweek there is a long article on the torture and "torture lite" techniques being used against insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A lot of the debate is being spurred by John McCain and his recent statements on interrogation techniques. Mr. McCain, I'm sure understands what torture is, and what humilitation is, and the difference between the two. I served under one of his Hanoi Hilton room mates for a couple of years, and had torture explained to me by him.

Reading the Newsweek article I'm much less apprehensive about how we are interrogating these folks.

Here are a few of the techniques we are using, that the ACLU and Amnesty International are having fits about:

Putting detainees on leases
Putting them in cold dark rooms
Using "smell hoods"
Making them wear women's underclothes
Calling them names
Calling mommy names
Water dripping on faces
(Just for reference, nearly every one of those techniques was used when Sailors were initiated as a "shellback" in the US Navy, and again when they are brought into the brotherhood of Chief Petty Officers. I'm sure some frat boys can relate also)

I didn't notice any cages where they are fed rats, bamboo under fingernails, broken bones, electric shock, whippings, stretching, hot irons, or other torture techniques.

The fact is what we appear to be doing, after reading the article is humilitating the detainees, not torturing them. Sorry Mr. McCain, I hope we keep up these methods, while they don't always get 100% reliable information, I'm sure they are working better than asking really really nice would.

Opinion Journal also has a take on this, along with Chris Cillizza at the WaPo


Blogger Mark said...

OMG! NOT the dreaded "smell hood"!!! What do you want to know???

AI: Asstards International

3:26 PM  
Blogger Crazy Politico said...

Yup, they broke out the smell hood. What is the world coming too when you make a murdering terrorist scum wear a stinky bag on his head.

5:30 PM  
Blogger Webmiztris said...

calling mommy names...lol! how dreadful THAT must be!

6:21 PM  
Blogger Rebekah said...

"NOOOOOO!!!!!!! Not the 'smell-hood'! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!!".


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On Fridays, to show our support for the troops AND their mission, we will wear green, and to show our hope for them to come home safe, soon, and victorious, we will also wear a yellow ribbon on our lapel or around our wrists.(pictures at my site soon) Please spread the word any way you can! Thanks in advance.

6:44 PM  
Blogger Daniel Levesque said...

These people think any coercion of any kind during interrogation is torture. What a bunch of tards!

11:32 PM  
Blogger Crazy Politico said...

Dan, that's one way of putting it :)

I've got an idea though. We could just make them sit through every Will Ferrell movie every made, over and over again. After about a week they'd break.

4:23 AM  
Blogger Lone Ranger said...

Looks like a typical fued between my brother and me.

I wonder if these pinheads would be as tolerant of a religion that demanded human sacrifice. I mean, if you're going to go to the defense of barbarians, you should be inclusive.

4:23 AM  
Blogger Coyote said...

I hate to be the only dissenting voice. But.. maybe you could read this
before you make up your mind what this is about.

8:38 PM  
Blogger Crazy Politico said...

No need to apologize for not agreeing. Wonderfully, we live somewhere that you can do that openly, without government censors. It's also why I don't moderate my comments.

As for the McCain article, I already read it, that's why I referenced him, though I forgot to link to his comments (fixed).

Once again, I believe John is being a politician. I'm sure he laughed while experiencing all that we are now calling "evil" as he was initiated as a Shellback in the Navy, especially during the 60's. (It was probably worse, my initiation was in 1986).

Mr. McCain is also wrong to try and qualify al Qaeda operatives and Taliban as POW's, they don't meet the definition. Look back over my posts, and you'll find a link to the definition, in the Geneva Accords.

8:46 PM  
Blogger Political Bliss said...

I'm not sure you guys understand where the real debate is. I mean sure these techniques seem childish to you, having to wear "smelly hoods" or womens underpants but the real issue is whether this is breaking our established sytem of human rights. Especially the rights during war. What would you say if the tables were turned and the Iraqis were using these methods on our troops? What if the enemy saw this as an "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" situation or even worse. I can only imagine what kind of horrible pain our own men would have to endure for these somewhat ridiculous
methods of torture. As you said yourself, Crazy Politico, we're dealing with "Murdering Terrorist Scum". Why would you want to upset such a people and take a chance with the lives of our troops?

2:02 AM  

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